We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

[ParanoidAndroid]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

There's no way the offense should be this bad.

We need someone to come here and put it together this off-season.

We need a legit OC with a legit playbook and who can take Josh to his potential.

[Mad Max]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

Are you saying I'm being realistic to say our resident realist will give the Bills no chance to beat Miami?

You sir are being indubitably realistic. Undoubtedly so.

[OpIv37]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

4 turnovers should be an annihilation. The last two games were not impressive.

As far as the Fish, who knows? Maybe they respond strongly, maybe they’re mentally defeated after more bad losses in December. But, never count out the Bills’ propensity for epic failure. They’ve mostly owned the Fish in the Allen era. Losing to them and missing the playoffs would fit the Bills’ MO.

[Mad Max]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

4 turnovers should be an annihilation. The last two games were not impressive.

As far as the Fish, who knows? Maybe they respond strongly, maybe they’re mentally defeated after more bad losses in December. But, never count out the Bills’ propensity for epic failure. They’ve mostly owned the Fish in the Allen era. Losing to them and missing the playoffs would fit the Bills’ O.

There he is! Good job buddy, and thank you. Keep up the good work, we’re all counting on you.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

There he is! Good job buddy, and thank you. Keep up the good work, we’re all counting on you.

That was actually a well thought out, reasonable post that wasn’t completely anti Bills. And he’s not wrong in anything he said

[YardRat]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

There's no way the offense should be this bad.

We need someone to come here and put it together this off-season.

We need a legit OC with a legit playbook and who can take Josh to his potential.

Maybe it's Josh and not the OC.

And the teams I worry about are Miami, KC and Cleveland. I'm not comfortable playing any of them, but I would feel a little bit better if it was at home.

Gotta get there first, thanks for nothing Pitts and Jax.

[Typ0]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

Next week will be a shootout. Maybe the D can generate turnovers but I don't see them being able to shut down MIA from yards.

[Ginger Vitis]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

Opian logic says when a team beats another team several times in a row.. the losing team will continue to lose to the team that routinely beats them... the bills have won the last 3 games against the phins... so why isn't Opiv guaranteeing a bills win?

[Kenny]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

There's no way the offense should be this bad.

We need someone to come here and put it together this off-season.

We need a legit OC with a legit playbook and who can take Josh to his potential.

Our offense hasnt looked right for a long time now. Sure we've had a few good outputs here and there, but either the NFL has figured Josh out, or it's something else. It's like night and day with this Bills offense after the KC win last year. For the most part, our offense has sputtered since that bye week.

[Novacane]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

Maybe it's Josh and not the OC.

And the teams I worry about are Miami, KC and Cleveland. I'm not comfortable playing any of them, but I would feel a little bit better if it was at home.

Gotta get there first, thanks for nothing Pitts and Jax.

It's a lot more on Josh than I thought it was 2 months ago. I did not want to accept it but there is probably truth to the gossip that Josh does not prepare like the great QB's did. That's arrogant. Or dumb.

[Mad Max]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

That was actually a well thought out, reasonable post that wasn’t completely anti Bills. And he’s not wrong in anything he said

He spoke some truth you’re right. He gets my thanks for not flipping his script and going positive…and thereby certainly dooming us.

[OpIv37]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

Opian logic says when a team beats another team several times in a row.. the losing team will continue to lose to the team that routinely beats them... the bills have won the last 3 games against the phins... so why isn't Opiv guaranteeing a bills win?

That would assume that the only factor is recent head to head record. There are more factors to consider.

But like I said, I don’t know. Sometimes teams respond to an annihilation by coming out guns blazing. Sometimes it demoralizes them and they come out flat. I have no clue how Miami will respond.

I do know this: if Miami turns the ball over 4x and somehow it’s still a one score game, we will lose. NE is a bad team used to losing. They see “we turned it over 4 times.” Miami is used to winning. If they turn it over 4 times and they’re only down by one score, their mentality will be “we can still win this.”

We have to be better to beat the Fish. And we have to beat the Fish because the WC scenarios are not likely if we lose.

[Mad Max]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

It's a lot more on Josh than I thought it was 2 months ago. I did not want to accept it but there is probably truth to the gossip that Josh does not prepare like the great QB's did. That's arrogant. Or dumb.

Man. I don’t know. I hope I’m completely off base but I am beginning to feel this dood just might not be able to maintain the poise necessary to achieve true greatness.

Look at the demeanors of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Montana, Kelly, Marino.

they all had a relative calmness under fire…Josh? not so much.

[OpIv37]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

Man. I don’t know. I hope I’m completely off base but I am beginning to feel this dood just might not be able to maintain the poise necessary to achieve true greatness.

Look at the demeanors of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Montana, Kelly, Marino.

they all had a relative calmness under fire…Josh? not so much.

The thing about all those guys though: they trusted the talent around them. Allen doesn’t.

Maybe that’s cuz the talent isn’t there. Maybe it’s cuz Allen isn’t used to having talent around him and can’t get past the mentality that he has to do everything himself. Maybe he’s just arrogant and wants all the stats and credit.

The reason doesn’t really matter though. The results won’t change until Allen Christ’s his teammates.

[Novacane]

Re: We won ugly. It could be worse! A lot worse!

Man. I don’t know. I hope I’m completely off base but I am beginning to feel this dood just might not be able to maintain the poise necessary to achieve true greatness.

Look at the demeanors of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Montana, Kelly, Marino.

they all had a relative calmness under fire…Josh? not so much.

He's made so many 4th Q drives to win games though. He seems better under fire honestly. It's the dumb **** that he does when the pressure isn't as high that creates the real pressure situations that he usually delivers in.