Marv stepping down as GM

[chernobylwraiths]

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Maybe now Jim Kelly can buy the team and bring in his own man!

[The Jokeman]

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I would hope Modrak would take the position but I wonder if he would take it to be honest. As with his current position he can do something he loves, as other noted he really enjoys scouting talent. Not to mention he lives in Florida so I'm not taking for granted he'll accept the position of GM. As let's not forget when Donahoe was fired the same day the team announced Modrak would keep his old role which may imply at that time he didn't want to be GM.

[Night Train]

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Yes. The biggest Bills related story of the day is moved away from the Bills forum. Good call.

Where is it now? The spam zone ?

[Johnny Bugmenot]

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How many success stories are there in NFL history with a guy being a coach and GM?

Um... there's that guy out in New England... by the name of Bill Belichick... seems to be doing pretty well handling both positions right now.

[Dr. Lecter]

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Um... there's that guy out in New England... by the name of Bill Belichick... seems to be doing pretty well handling both positions right now.

Scott Pioli is VP of Player Personel, performing most of the tasks of a GM.

So, you are wrong.

[patmoran2006]

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Psstt..
Dont get excited.. The next Gm is.. Tom Modrak.

THe carousel of complete and utter mediocrity continues with a guy who's prints all over a decade of sucking.

[henrybacker]

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Good riddance. He was unqualified for the job and in over his head. His outrageous contracts were an embarassment.

He made some good moves. Poz and Marshawn

I love this position. When you trade McGahee, Spikes, and let Fletcher walk, is there any doubt the first two picks you were going to make would be Lynch and Poz? Not too mention poz has shown NOTHING to say he will be great or a bust just yet.

[chubluv]

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[mysticsoto]

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Good riddance. He was unqualified for the job and in over his head. His outrageous contracts were an embarassment.

He made some good moves. Poz and Marshawn

I love this position. When you trade McGahee, Spikes, and let Fletcher walk, is there any doubt the first two picks you were going to make would be Lynch and Poz? Not too mention poz has shown NOTHING to say he will be great or a bust just yet.

It has already been clearly said that Overdorf handled the contracts...not Marv!!!

[lordofgun]

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Why do people want Cowher as GM?

?? He fought to keep Cordell Stewart as their QB.

[The Jokeman]

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?? He fought to keep Cordell Stewart as their QB.

He also supposedly fought with Donahoe to draft Jevon Kearse instead of Troy Edwards.

[BillsFever21]

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That guy is the biggest problem on the team. He's the director of Pro Personnel and decides who FAs we sign.

He is not the one who makes the decision on what FA's we sign. There are many factors involved.

He gives a scouting report on NFL players that are used towards signing FA's. The GM will then use his reports as a guide. The needs on your team, desired money and if the player even wants to join your team all plays a part on FA signings.

I highly doubt John Guy just makes up a list of the only players we can sign and then the GM just picks off of that list no matter what. A position like John Guy is used most for scouting older players to determine what they have left in the tank, unknown players to see if they have any potental in your sytem or even a highly drafed bust to see if they have any potential to possible turn into a useful player.

Even with all of them reports he doesn't decide who we sign. The GM will use his scouting reports and some of the input towards hiring but the GM ultimately decides who they go after. Then there are certain players that are just obviously good players that doesn't need John Guy to inform them they would be a good signing.

This doesn't mean I think John Guy should be the GM or that he is even good/bad at his position. It's just to dispute that he decides on who we sign and that is it.

I feel the biggest problems that contribute for our lack of good signings are most importantly Ralph and his self imposed budget limitations which in return helps towards us being a losing team. All of that impacts how FA's feel about coming to Buffalo.

All deciding factors on who a FA signs with are money, success of the team, their possible future success or all of the above. It all starts with the money that sends a trickle down effect through the rest of the system.

When more times then not that Ralph proves he won't dish out the money that takes us out of consideration for somebody only worried about money. For those who are not worried only about money the lack of the success of our team will be a deciding factor.

Even when our team shows some potential at that moment a lot of players will still be cautious about signing with us because they know most likely Ralph won't spend the money needed to keep that team around and/or help build it into a contender.

We have shown a few times in the last 8 years that Ralph will not do whatever it takes to build upon a team showing potential. Three different times our team showed marked improvement in a season in which most teams would be considered on the rise only to take a step back the following season or not make any major improvement after that.

So in the end it all starts with money and with Ralph being cheap. It either takes money to sign a player. It takes good players to build a winning team and it takes a winning team for players to want to come to Buffalo. Until the perception of our organiztion changes it will continue to be a hurdle to try and overcome.

[BillsFever21]

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Good riddance. He was unqualified for the job and in over his head. His outrageous contracts were an embarassment.

He made some good moves. Poz and Marshawn

I love this position. When you trade McGahee, Spikes, and let Fletcher walk, is there any doubt the first two picks you were going to make would be Lynch and Poz? Not too mention poz has shown NOTHING to say he will be great or a bust just yet.

I love these quotes too. Big deal if we picked up Lynch and Poz. They were to replace starters that were sent packing over money. They were just to replace positions we already had filled and not to significantly improve on what we already had.

I also don't see how somebody can label Poz in the group of the great moves. What has he done yet to prove to be a brilliant move? The three games he played before being injured was enough proof? It doesn't mean he was a bad move just as much as it can't prove he was a good move. It takes more then three games to be labeled a steal and what to remember the Marv tenure by.

Marv was way in over his head. He got punked in the draft and with trades. He was unable to use his resources available to get the most value out of his moves.

Whether it was drafting Whitner with the #8 pick instead of picking up extra draft picks for fear he would not be there a few spots later when there were still 2 blue chip QB's and a DT on the board that teams wanted. He could've easily been had a few spots later if they HAD to have him. Even drafting him over Ngata was a mistake.

Then there was trading failing to get the most out of the Takeo Spikes trade by trading for a player you didn't want to give the money to in the first place. At least he was able to trade him again but a 5th round pick along with the embarrassment our organization received by setting a precedent isn't enough.

There were more negatives then positives in the Marv tenure. If all Marv will be remembered for is Lynch and Poz then his tenure will be more of a failure then once thought. Poz hasn't proved a dime yet and it's not like Lynch was some unknown player he pulled out of his hat. He was the 2nd ranked RB on everyone's board. It didn't take a genius to draft him. He has yet to show he will be a gamebreaker either.

[Spiderweb]

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....and this should be a "surprise"? Marv is three days older than dirt (Wilson is four)
and kidding aside, the position requires mental acuity and physical stamina that few, if any, 82 year olds can muster. This isn't a knock on Marv, its simply father time.

Marv did what Ralph wanted him to do. He steadied the ship when the Donohoe mess imploded on our Bills. Also, it was thought by many that Marv accepted the job because he still held "dreams" of coaching one more time. In fact when Marv waffled on the question of coaching again (after having been hired as Bills GM), it was Ralph himself who stepped up the squash that talk.

We'll miss you Marv. Take care and God bless.

[shelby]

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Marv, to me, has personified the heart and determination of this team since his head coaching days.
i have a lot of respect for him.
Good luck to you Marv, you will be missed!